In the second installment of this two-part episode of Transcend Field Trips, Ron De Jesus continues his conversation with Max Schrems—Austrian activist, lawyer, and author and Honorary Chair of noyb.

They discuss the fragmented enforcement of privacy rights across Europe and the US, government and commercial surveillance, and the differences in how data protection is approached in both regions. They also discussed Max’s position on "pay-or-okay" data tracking, dark patterns, and the inconsistent regulation of privacy practices.

Watch the full interview below.

Note: You can also watch this episode of Field Trips directly on YouTube.